Facts and myths about e-cigarettes

Unfortunately, I honestly cannot say. I don’t cough, I guess that was from tar and other things. However, I have difficulty breathing under exertion (at 36 years old, this is a problem), but this could also be due to a sedentary lifestyle or mild overweight. What I consider a problem is that I used to smoke 8-14 cigarettes a day, and now when I’m outside or at home, I take a few puffs about every 5 minutes, and I don’t know how much nicotine is entering my body, or how I will feel in 10-20 years. I would highlight the difficulty breathing under exertion, but maybe it has nothing to do with the e-cigarette, I simply need to exercise more. Fortunately, I cannot report any proven harmful effects yet :slight_smile:

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Then I’ll write mine too.

I smoked for 25 years, smoking 2-2.5 packs a day, brands like brown Sofi and its companions.

I smoked my whole life, but 8 years ago I “switched” and the rattling stopped, the whistling in my lungs when going to bed at night.

Daily, if MTL, then 15 ml and every single day!

I don’t lack movement, in fact, I have some excess weight too, but believe me… as I usually say… at 48, I can carry the weight you can, just maybe further :blush:

I feel much better since I put down the stink stick, in fact, most people here know what I’m like :wink:

If we talk about harmful effects, neither you, nor I, nor anyone else has reported any, and even the foreigners I’m in contact with haven’t!

In 10 years, it would have become clear to you too if there was a problem, right? :wink:

So, that’s about it :right_facing_fist::left_facing_fist:

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I have previously written about my Ars Poetica, stating that I will not torment myself for a lifetime, giving up all good things, to extort extra years which I would “live” by giving up my human dignity, to the burden of my family members. But I am looking for and hope that the golden mean is vaping, and with this, I can indulge myself in the current harsh world, increasing my chances of survival. Thus extending my active years, helping my loved ones. Quality liquids are indeed important to me too, and I am working hard to reduce the quantity… Currently, 5mg nicotine, 8-10ml vaporized daily, and I am satisfied, happy, which could also be the secret to a long life… At 62, every healthy-thinking person wonders what they will leave behind… Because life is just the time from when the band comes off your wrist and goes to your ankle, and what you fill it with in between…

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I still cough to this day, but a tenth of what I did before. I’ve always had shortness of breath (I was born with it, and in Hungarian, I was an idiot for getting addicted to cigarettes).

Relatively, my condition has improved a lot, because if I were still smoking 1.5-2 packs (a day), I wouldn’t be writing here much now…

I hope that extracted tobacco flavors contain less of these lung-irritating diacetyl substances than desserts do. If in the past I heavily vaped certain sweet caramel and chai desserts, it noticeably hurt my lungs.

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I feel the same way, actually I don’t even want to give it up because I enjoy it, only the quantity and quality need to be taken into consideration. I just wanted to react to the misconceptions, because just as traditional smokers or non-smokers attribute misconceptions to e-cigarettes, we also convince ourselves of the same ones, as self-consolation. Nothing else belongs in the lungs besides air, but we can’t avoid air pollution anyway. And my outlook on life is similar too, that I’d rather live “only” 60-65 years, but with quality, taking care of myself, than 80-90 years, but in such a way that I’ve either given up on all “good things”, or the last 10-20 years of my life are already dependence on others, so I agree.

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@Szabi89 I see you’ve dug into the topic… that’s why I’d be interested to know what negative effects using pure VG liquid (without flavor) might have?.. what do you think.

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As I read the scientific publications, pure VG-liquid primarily causes respiratory inflammatory processes.

The chemical safety data sheet for vegetable glycerin:

https://www.merckmillipore.com/Web-AT-Site/en_US/-/EUR/ShowDocument-File?ProductSKU=MDA_CHEM-137028&DocumentType=MSD&DocumentId=137028_SDS_HU_HU.PDF&DocumentUID=4399778&Language=HU&Country=HU&Origin=null

The following is a summary of a relatively recent study (machine translation):

Vegetable glycerin (VG) and propylene glycol (PG) serve as carriers for nicotine and flavors in most e-cigarette (e-cig) liquids. In the present study, we investigated whether VG e-cig aerosols without nicotine and flavorings affect the parameters of mucociliary function in human volunteers, large animal models (sheep), and primary human bronchial epithelial cells (HBEC) air-liquid interface (ALI) cultures. We found that VG-containing (VG or PG/VG) but not exclusively PG-containing e-cig aerosols reduced nasal cystic fibrosis transmembrane conductance regulator (CFTR) activity in human volunteers who vaped for seven days. Markers of inflammation, including interleukin-6 (IL6), interleukin-8 (IL8), and matrix metalloproteinase-9 (MMP9) mRNAs, as well as MMP-9 activity and mucin 5AC (MUC5AC) expression levels, were also elevated in nasal swab samples from volunteers who vaped VG-containing e-liquids. In sheep, exposure to VG e-cig aerosols for five days increased mucus concentration and MMP-9 activity in tracheal secretions, as well as plasma levels of transforming growth factor-beta 1 (TGF-β1). In vitro exposure of HBECs to VG e-cig aerosols for five days reduced ciliary beating and increased mucus concentration. VG e-cig aerosols also reduced CFTR function in HBECs mechanically, by reducing membrane fluidity. (Vegetable glycerin e-cigarette aerosols cause airway inflammation and ion channel dysfunction - PMC)

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Geez…..that was a cool post. (Although I haven’t got a clue what you wrote, but it’s surely like that :thinking:)

Did you perhaps not test the Lidl breaded cheese? :grin:

Anyway, I’ll keep suffering, that’s for sure :blush::right_facing_fist::left_facing_fist:

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I could also write tokrögzítő (turbócsavar) and hiló, cosmo, but nobody really understands that either.

Sorry if you think I’m rude, but I really don’t understand why the effects of PG-VG need to be tested on goats???

Is it the same with tobacco? Do you make sheep and goats smoke?

Really, don’t be angry, but far more people die from smoking than, I can say, WE VAPERS!

Have a nice day :blush:

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Hi @Szabi89 :waving_hand:

I understand the scientific precision behind your comment, but from a community perspective, maintaining a sense of proportion is our most important task.

If something is found in 0.001%, the researcher says: IT EXISTS. This is technically true. However, in practical popular science dissemination, this “EXISTS” can generate much more misconception and unnecessary panic than the benefit derived from its precise naming. Of course, this doesn’t mean the information isn’t relevant, but from a practical application standpoint, it’s often negligible and doesn’t provide the real picture.

Our goal is understandable harm reduction: if the presence of a substance is at the limit of detectability, treating it as “absent” is often closer to the real risk picture than scaring beginner vapers with a scientific “yes”.

However, since the article is nearly 2 years old, it could use an update and supplement in a few places. We will do this soon. Thank you for bringing it to our attention!

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Hi!

As I see it:

Vaping is surely not healthy either, but there are billions in the tobacco industry. If this gets endangered, or if the big guys see that it could be endangered. They are capable of anything to get rid of the endangering thing.
This is constantly happening here. In other countries, they are smarter, there they said it can go, but we also want a little money from it in the form of taxes.

Live and let live!

Well, after the coffee, 3 slices of bejgli to choke down.

After that, the Kiandy Super Cola (gummy bear cola) can come.

At least I won’t gain weight from this.:joy:

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It sounds quite horrific, but they do it by intubating them, inserting a tube up the nose, and thus introducing the e-cigarette smoke into their bodies. Then at the end of the examination, they take samples from their blood and trachea and analyze them. Why specifically sheep or goats is a good question :smiley: They usually conduct such animal experiments if the structure of their organ is very similar to that of humans, but it would be too painful, unpleasant, and unethical in humans. Here, the goal was obviously to take a sample from the deepest part of the respiratory system, which in humans would be something like a bronchoscopy, which is not (always) permitted for ethical and risk reasons. It’s another question why it wasn’t enough to just blow smoke at them, or simply keep them in a closed space where they introduce the e-cigarette “smoke.” I guess for the sake of more accurate and precise results. Obviously, the question rightfully arises why we subject animals to such things… But that’s science; today we know this about a certain thing, tomorrow we might know the opposite. I have a greater chance of dying of a heart attack from stress or being hit by a bus. :slight_smile:

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I agree :slight_smile:

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Unfortunately, the regulation is already ready at the EU level, which prohibits flavoring in liquids, disposable vapes, and everything. I also registered here to find out where I can order quality, EU-manufactured liquid, because it’s no longer available in tobacco shops, only a few pieces in a few places. I can use the non-legal Chinese disposable vapes for the time being, but you know, either it’s original and contains what’s written on it, or something is mixed together in a garage, and it’s only a matter of time before something goes wrong.

https://nnk.gov.hu/index.php/kozegeszsegugyi-foosztaly/telepules-egeszsegugyi-klimavaltozas-es-kornyezeti-egeszseghatas-elemzo-osztaly/temaink/nem-dohanyzok-vedelme/2451-e-cigaretta-bejelentese.html

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I would be interested to know how much highly caramelized and syrupy soups increase blood sugar levels, and whether a healthy body is capable of processing them, or if we are putting our pancreases to a real test.

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Well, that’s a good question, I’ve never thought about that, but now there’s one more thing to worry about :smiley: But it’s a valid point, I’ll look it up to see if this has been investigated already.

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I know we need to talk about things, but still, Merry Christmas!!

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I tested it :grin:it can cause addiction…:roll_eyes::sweat_smile:

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