Hi everyone!
I have a quick and straightforward question, I hope someone can answer.
If from this page:
I order 1L of GLYCERIN (E422) and 1L of PROPYLENE GLYCOL (E1520), and mix them together, then I will have 2L of a 50-50% base liquid, from which only nicotine and flavor are missing… CORRECT?
Or not..
?
That is true.
However:
Google is your friend, floravita is the magic search term, and you can get the same result there for less than half.
I found it here too, it’s cheaper here, pharmaceutical grade, it says:
Ah, this is what you said..:)))
Now the only question is:
Hi!
In a tobacco shop, you’re right. Although “expensive”, I solved it by minimizing the nicotine content of the liquid. This way it’s not so expensive anymore, and I think it doesn’t hurt that I’ve reduced my nicotine intake by a quarter. I put “expensive” in quotes because even at current legal prices, vaping is cheaper than analog smoking.
Tobacco flavors can be ordered from foreign webshops, e.g. from the French, although I’ve heard not for much longer from there either, they are already preparing legislative changes there too. By the way, there are flavor manufacturers who have simply repurposed their flavors and sell them the same way, just as air fresheners, for diffusers, for example. You have to search the net, you can find a lot legally too, there have always been and always will be loopholes.
Yes, that’s what I was thinking too, I just need some reliable place where you can buy an aroma that you can inhale (even if it says air freshener on it (…suddenly it occurred to me, when Russian pilots and ground crew drank the alcohol sprayed into the aircraft for de-icing from the MiG-21s, and on paper ordered much more alcohol for ‘operation’ than was actually needed, it’s cold… no :))))) )
But - anyway - building this reliability-checking mechanism - perhaps here on the forum - is what’s missing…
It’s not easy!
What city are you from?
If you take a “z” out of your surname, you’ll know where I live 
Although they say it used to be written that way..
This is a difficult topic because it is completely illegal. In the past few years, the entire industry has been almost wiped out. Although it was outrageous to impose excise duty on smoking substitute products, I think the majority of people who want to vape would have swallowed even this, just to be able to get them. Currently, you can hardly find anything in tobacco shops here at home; I would go in and buy my favorite flavors for 5,000 [HUF] if they were available, but they are not. However, almost all flavor manufacturers are producing, and devices/tools are also being produced in the same way; practically everything exists, it’s just that we can’t legally get hold of anything here. At the same time, everything can be obtained illegally with proper research and searching. However, no one will reveal its sources because we have reached a point where people are already happy if they can obtain their favorite flavors and devices stealthily, albeit illegally. And everyone rightly protects these sources. It is sad and outrageous that today, in terms of the law, we are lumped together with drug addicts or drug dealers; if caught, you can expect similar treatment and punishment.
I don’t want to clutter the post, but we are in Hungary and you can find shops where we also order from here!!!
@Gilbert please 
could you recommend well-known shops in Hungary where guys can legally order aroma.
THANK YOU.
Hi Zolika! Of course, I’m happy to help the guys so they don’t have to fumble in the dark. 
As mentioned in the conversation, the situation in Hungary is quite unique: there are no physical vape shops, and domestic online shops (like Liquidhall or JuicyVapour) are no longer operating. However, there are reliable sources from where you can legally obtain the base ingredients and flavors, as they are often sold for other purposes as well.
Here are the reliable sources I can confidently recommend:
If you’re looking for pure, pharmaceutical-grade ingredients, these are the best places:
For tobacco and fruity flavors, check out these Hungarian-language sites:
Important info for Hanlev: If you’re looking for a tobacco flavor for your friend, the mentioned flavor sites (e.g., Aroma49) have a separate category for tobacco flavors, so you’ll surely find something he’ll like!
A small warning: As regulations can change at any time, always check the current status of the sites. Ordering from abroad (e.g., from Slovakia) is at your own risk, but since we are within the EU, there are no customs duties or extra VAT on the package. However, due to domestic regulations, authorities might sometimes object to the shipment.
I hope this helps the guys! If you have any other questions, just ask! 
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Just writing this quietly, that whoever searches will find.
Even here on the page.
(the search also works: top right the magnifying glass, the 3rd icon from the profile picture.)
Yes, thank you!
Of course, I searched and read about it. BUT somehow active communication is needed, so that what one only suspects can be confirmed.
I still had some left from my spring - almost a year ago - order, and I followed the changes, but I didn’t order because I didn’t need it. Now that reality has hit, it has become more urgent, and I have to get used to it…
So, A VERY BIG THANK YOU to everyone who “talked” with me just now!
Because in my search - where you can’t say what needs to be said (because after all, it goes into your lungs, it matters whether it’s weed killer or something else :)) ) - I did find something, but I wasn’t sure.
Now it seems that if the orders arrive, I will have managed to get everything. Legally.
I used solub, it’s good that it can be obtained for cakes, vaporizers (too).
I am also at home in agriculture and in the pharmaceutical industry (now..), so I have PG and VG too (a few liters). And nicotine… - I’ll manage without it later, but maybe I’ll get that too (there are tobacco shop owners among my acquaintances).
And I won’t even have to go out to Slovakia, Croatia (Italy, Switzerland) (I hope).
If all this arrives, I’ll report back. BUT I needed you too for this. I couldn’t have refilled it on my own - not even by browsing the forum here.
“Without risk, there is no victory!” - Sir Edmund Percival Hillary
And thank you too, you little… robot!
Hi Hanlev! You’re welcome, glad I could help you navigate this maze a bit!
I see you’ve discussed it well with the others in the meantime. This is truly the essence of the community: active communication and confirmation. No matter how much one reads old info, it’s still more reassuring when someone confirms, ‘yes, it’s still like that’.
Great that you’ve got the PG/VG line sorted out, with an agricultural and pharmaceutical background, you’ll definitely have no issues with quality! And Solubaroma flavors are indeed classics, many people like them precisely because they are versatile.
Be careful with nicotine, though, but if you have a familiar tobacconist, that’s the cleanest way domestically. And if you get stuck with mixing, don’t forget the VapeDIY calculator, you can’t go wrong with the ratios using it.
We’ll await your report, when the stuff arrives and you’ve managed the ‘refill’! Until then, happy vaping! 
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Let’s say I have a friend who owns a tobacco shop, message me later, maybe they can recommend something. They usually help me
I have one too, they are so clueless about this topic that there are no words for it.
Just as encouragement for everyone - especially for those who stumble upon this for the first time and are reading:
I was able to get everything (I did it for the first time now, since the situation got harder)
A few important lessons:
A.) YOU HAVE TO LET GO OF THE IDEA THAT YOU GET EVERYTHING FROM ONE PLACE.
You need to order from at least 3 places:
The last one is the hardest, but it’s available.
B) Also: you need to learn mixing. Unfortunately, it’s not really possible otherwise anymore (or it will be very expensive)
C) Patience. For procurement, and for the maturation of the mix, for keeping track of package arrivals, etc.
If you have these, you can still get by quite well.
