This is… let uninhibited optimism flow instead 
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It depends on what the shop sells. Clothing, stationery, etc. – no qualifications are needed for these. But that’s not the point here; my question was what qualification does “qualified salesperson” mean in the petition? A general salesperson qualification or a qualification knowledgeable about vape?
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I think it still means to love it, be passionate about it, and understand it. What they sell are qualified products, they don’t measure it out with a scoop. The dedication level of a pet store salesperson, just in the vape space.
(Oops… The snake accidentally swallowed the degu 
then bill both to the snake customer, Jóska!
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Thank you very much!
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There might be something in what you’re saying, perhaps the word ‘skilled’ could be removed…?
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Let’s say, consult a knowledgeable seller?
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I think @Vaperfater Zsolt has experience with this.
I’d be curious about their opinion.
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As an owner, I wouldn’t even hire someone who isn’t an expert in the vape and sales field… The question is, if vape-related expertise is an official requirement, how will it be verifiable? For example, with a test… like in the case of the driving license test?
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This is an interesting question by the way and I’m glad you asked it. 
This worked like this 10-15 years ago: whoever had been vaping long enough understood everything, therefore was considered an expert, and is still considered one now. I think that no one knows better than a hobbyist. Because, you see, a hobbyist pursues this hobby out of love and not through training. And it reminds me of that scene from the movie Armageddon where Jason Isaacs discusses whether he, in NASA’s place, would accept advice from someone who got a satisfactory grade in astrophysics. So it matters how one learns it, you need an aptitude for it.
I personally don’t see it as impossible that a specialized field will be developed for this later on. Because legally, there isn’t one yet.
For those who have been vaping for 10-15 years, the knowledge is already in their blood. However, for the lawmakers to remove their hands from the tobacco monopoly and allow specialty shops to open, we must give guarantees!
It’s likely, or rather I could say, it might not be enough to say “trust me because I know what I’m doing”! A official standard is needed. Such an exam wouldn’t be against the old, knowledgeable vapers, but rather for them. It would protect the market from incompetent people opening shops and ruining the already fragile reputation of vaping with bad advice that could even lead to accidents!
Such an exam would only be a formality for those who have been in this for a very long time, but it would give that person an official recognition with which they could finally legally, as a professional expert, help those who want to quit.
I believe that with the community’s help, we could put together an exam foundation that would be suitable for vocational training. If that’s what it takes, we will fully commit to it! 
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we kept thinking
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I have a certificate as a Velux roof window installer, I can officially build Schiedel chimneys too, yes, I have done it and still do it.
But there are people who have a qualification certificate in vain (respect to the exception), they’d be better off using tissues at least…
I think I understand vape products at least to some extent.
Shop owners shouldn’t just sell disposable stuff, they should also think about the “old-timer” fellow vapers.
I see on many sites that they can barely find even “just wire, cotton” products.
For example…
Are there RTAs, RDAs in the big US stores? I know Zsolt, this doesn’t concern you, I’m just asking this…
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Previously, between 2010-2015, our EVAPOR stores had such a tasting and testing opportunity; our UK stores still have a tasting counter.
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In the big US online stores (like Element Vape, if I recall correctly) there’s no wire, only replaceable coils, but there is cotton. I’ve visited a few physical shops, but I didn’t see any DIY building supplies. Whoever uses that stuff, buys it from Asia just like we do… I think.
When I’m there [in the US], I only buy VG from Amazon… I brought wire and cotton from here.
Speaking of which, I was able to vape even at a -30°C apparent temperature with 96% VG liquid 
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I understand. However, the next question that comes to mind is how I will find staff for my vape shop if special qualifications are required.
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You advertise for a job if you don’t have acquaintances. Obviously, it’s easier to find work in cities than in villages… but I wish that were the only problem. Anyone who feels they have the aptitude will take an exam anyway… it would offer better prospects than, say, an average sales position.
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Obviously, finding or training a skilled person is no longer the problem, but rather finding someone with the proper qualifications.
This is an important business aspect! But look at it from the other side. The qualification doesn’t aim to reduce the workforce, but to qualify it.
Currently, there are many professional vapers who would gladly work in a vape shop if there were an opportunity. For them, this exam would just be a quick formality.
And if you find an enthusiastic applicant who isn’t yet an expert, they could start working shortly after targeted training.
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I still don’t understand why special training would be needed besides expertise? My example above: in a multinational for food or DIY, the salesperson doesn’t have 237 papers, no nail industry and chicken-innards OKÉ exams. Manufacturers need to have their permits, and the salesperson should have affinity and insight. Whoever sells e-liquid doesn’t have a tobacco industry technical school diploma either. So it’s pointless to pursue this line of argument. The local vape shop clerk isn’t a pulmonologist either (more like OnlyFans… 
). They learn, develop, are helpful, apply their knowledge, navigate online, keep up with trends, treat people well - that’s the essence.
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I don’t understand it either, and that’s precisely my problem: the petition wants to negotiate such a capability.
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Yes, this part is confusing.