I still enjoy it ![]()
Snobbery is very far from me!
Having given up analogs and looking for alternatives, so that unhealthy chip-munching wouldn’t be the only substitute activity for my cravings, I discovered vaping.
I dove in, found this site, read your posts for days, and by weighing the opinions, an idea formed in me that I still consider timeless and defensible with strong arguments today… It’s not my fault that the high-end category promises and fulfills my thus formed and security-providing ideas.
I don’t even have much: three Kayfuns and one Dani… And now I feel good, I’ve calmed down like a neutered dog, though this also applies to my wallet…
It’s hard to find fault with this ![]()
if the world of MTL were enjoyable for me, then Dani would surely be in my hand, also based on the experiences shared here or based on them… I don’t know about the tank, there are a few very good options there…
Overall, after analog smoking, the Dani + any tank only causes momentary anxiety in the wallet, because you have to invest in it all at once.. if we look ahead, it’s a negligible item compared to monthly analog prices..
I didn’t plan to comment, because fundamentally I share Janos_Groszeibl’s opinion, which is “everyone does as they please”. However, you wrote “I don’t wish to influence anyone”, yet your argumentation, and at times your logical fallacies (straw man), show the opposite. So, without any confrontation, I’ll just state my opinion too, because if you make a statement on such a complex topic whose research is still ongoing, it’s predictable that there will be a counter-argument, given that neither of us is an expert in the field. In my opinion, the complexity of the mentioned topic does not allow us to try and solve it based on “common sense logic”. You made an observation, but we cannot build a harm reduction guide on that. Anyone could justifiably bring up at least equally relevant counter-arguments against the use of glass: e.g., in materials science, glass is considered a structurally “frozen liquid”, meaning it retains the structure of a liquid but has such high viscosity that it behaves like a solid. Due to this structural composition, materials can also leach from glass, such as lead, cadmium, or silicon, which, when inhaled in large quantities, causes the well-known silicosis. Of course, without measurements, this is nothing more than a “common sense logic” theory, and with that, we circle back to the most optimal theory, which is “everyone does as they please”, because in reality, we don’t understand it well enough to draw a valid conclusion about which is better or less harmful.
Outside of the coil, there isn’t even 50°C anywhere in the Boro RBA… so I’ll lean back
Especially since the liquid is used up so quickly that it doesn’t even have time to leach anything ![]()
Interesting topic you brought up, namely steeping in glass vs. plastic bottles and coil gunk/charring.
I guess British scientists have some project for this too
, independently of that, I’ve also thought about its pros and cons, although I haven’t really noticed a big difference. Sometimes I steep in glass, sometimes in plastic, whichever I have at hand. Admittedly, I also prefer to steep larger quantities and especially tobacco extract in glass.
But as has been said, obviously everyone does it as they wish ![]()
What I find a bit strange, however, is the color of the liquid in the Chubby bottle; I wouldn’t necessarily attribute that solely to the plastic. And before I go into any speculation as to why it turned that color, here’s an example of my September mix, its color is more similar to what’s in your glass bottle. There can obviously be differences depending on whether it steeps in glass or plastic, but such a big color difference is strange to me.
The other topic, this microplastic scare, I think it already loses its meaning because nowadays, apart from tobacco extract flavors and perhaps 100mg nicotine, everything arrives in plastic bottles: VG, PG, nic boosters, flavors, longfills, shortfills, etc.
For your experiment, you also measured out the Don Christo flavor from a Chubby bottle, which has obviously been sitting in it for a long time, because it can take months or even a year from the production line until it reaches us. During that time, anything can leach out from these carrier bottles, and this storage time can be even longer than how long you steep the liquid.
There are certainly “better” and “worse” plastics, I don’t know about that, but what I know, for example, is that Chubby is usually PET (like mineral water), and even Chemnovatic, the large Polish nicotine manufacturer, ships their 1kg 99.9% nicotine in HDPE bottles. And I assume competent chemical engineers work there; if it were dangerous (or affected quality) for the nicotine to leach anything out of the plastic, I don’t think they would use it.
What you wrote is completely logical. It wasn’t an experiment on my part. I mixed a 30ml flavor concentrate at the recommended 20%, so the 150ml of liquid went into a free 100ml bottle, and the remaining 50ml went into a Chubby bottle.
After steeping it for 5 weeks, I took a photo and shared it, which is what I encountered. First, I vaped the PET one with the usual cotton degradation. It ran out, and then came the one from the bottle with the further described difference…
And everything was the same: atomizer-cotton-coil-heat and cotton. ![]()
Although I wrote that I don’t want to guess why there might be such a striking color difference, I’d risk one anyway.
Maybe the finished liquid wasn’t mixed homogeneously enough?
In my photo, the color is roughly similar to your bottled version, but I only mixed it at 12% (with a machine for 10 minutes, then shaking for the first few days once a day), I steeped it for about 2 weeks, about half of it ran out, then it got lost deep in the cupboard, I found it on the weekend
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I would think that the first 100ml you bottled contained less than 20% flavor, and the remaining 50ml had a higher concentration. This would explain the large color difference, and also why the bottled one gunked up less. But this is just a hypothesis, a guess on my part.
Did you notice any difference in taste?
In terms of flavor, the glass one is a bit milder/weaker. Otherwise, it was mixed together in one batch, then divided. I sometimes aerated them, and after a few days, a subtle difference was already visible. One more thing, the glass bottle received more aeration due to its convenient screw-on cap than the chubby one with its fiddly cap.
I understand you mixed it all at once, but just by pouring together, shaking, or using a machine for several minutes to hours? Before you divided it into bottles and chubby bottles.
Because in the first case (in my opinion) it’s certain that it won’t mix completely homogeneously; there can remain more concentrated and less concentrated parts in the liquid. The steeping process also includes the full “spreading” (diffusion) of the flavor, which is why one has to wait longer if someone just shakes it (vs. machine mixing for hours).
And the milder, weaker flavor suggests this to me as well; I don’t think you would lose enough flavor by aerating (steeping/breathing) to cause such a visually striking color and noticeable taste difference. But I’m just guessing, I might be wrong.
When everything was in it, I just shook it well in my hand and poured it out.
That’s why I thought there might have been a difference in flavor concentration

